yeah if they don't explain soon where peter, sylar and some of the others are, im going to assume they are either dead or neutralized
it wouldn't make the least bit of sense for their characters to be in hiding, not one bit
i still think tomorrow we might get told matt killed them both, im preparing myself for the possibility and honestly in a strange way I'd rather have it said they are flat out dead so at least we can get closure rather than wondering where the heck are they.
cause you can tell the original characters are on the endangered list-2 of them, possibly 3(mohinder) are dead, micah is captured, angela is in hiding I guess, hiro dies in both apocalypse futures, HRG dies in one of them by matts hand(so im also expecting HRG to possibly die tomorrow)
cause if you read some of tim kring's interviews he said heroes reborn is really a reboot, it's a new generation of them, he said he never intended for it to be a continuation of the original characters except for a couple few
Thats what I was thinking bc there's no way characters like Peter and Sylar are hiding, they'd definitely be fighting if they had the choice.
I think chances are they're dead but I'm not sure Matt did it, if we're getting the same Matt from the original series, then I highly doubt it, he wasn't a killer but if Matt has changed since the last time we saw him then its possible
I know but the reason everyone wanted Heroes back was for them to contine where it left off, not reboot it but I'll take what I can get.
well in the future he changes into a dark person, but what I can't figure out is he has the potential to be the most powerful being, why in the world doesn't he just use mind control to call off erika kravid and renatus?
im going to read the rest of my heroes magazine i got to see if there are anymore spoilers in them
maybe she is promising him and his family can join them in the new world if he helps
but what i still fail to understand is there is a giant comet coming apparently so you would think erika would want to team up with the evos to destroy the comet yet she is eliminating them?, i don't get it
well I mean he kills HRG and hiro in the season 1 future....
also there is still something we aren't being told about captain james, maybe he isn't sylar but there is something...., the actor who plays him says
Bruce told us that his character is so under wraps that he can’t even reveal his name. He said, “What I’ve been approved to tell you is he’s a survivalist in a time of a lot of social inequalities and he uses that for profit. Being a survivalist as well, he sometimes might not do the most moral of things. If he had a closet, it would be full of skeletons. He’s got a back story that is so interesting.”
also I read a spoiler and I guess tomorrow is hiros final episode of this season, possibly the series so that is really sad, I'm basically preparing myself that matt kills him and maybe HRG
True, I guess anything could happen at this point.
I can't even begin to think what could be so special about this guy, they're seriously being really secretive with him, what is his deal? Maybe he's related to another character from the original series
but I mean lilys whole I have to bring him back pretty much indicates he isn't present on the earth and he can't come back from the dead or he will be rabid and it will be a total cop out if they are able to fix his zombie problem cause that would confirm death truly is meaningless
yeah btw something really dumb but on twitter this lady said she was going to do a Q/A with michael and JP I think yet she never did it cause I couldn't find them yet she claimed she did it and when I asked where they were, she deleted the tweet
i hate that cause that is like the third time I recall where there was supposed to be a tvd/TO Q&A from the fans that got cancelled
maybe some of the fans went psycho with all the ship talk but it's like just ignore their questions and pick out the ones that aren't crazy, don't ruin it for all the fans just cause of some people cause I was looking forward to it for my bday and now I've got to hope that some of the things I requested, mainly the mysteries get solved this week or preferrably next week
i do know from spoilers that tommy, matt, carlos, luke, emily and i think malina are surviving this episode
but i wonder if they are ever bringing back joanna, cause you would think if she found out about what renatus did, she'd team up with luke to stop them but if erika finds her, she is going to make her into her assassin
sadly no mention of peter and sylar and tracy and ando and the others
joanna goes crazy and kills the ice making guy
hiro is tommys stepdad
matt decides to spare HRG
the otomo guy takes katana girl out of the game and tells her she is miko and tells her the sword can get hiro out of the game and he is presumably killed by harris
tommy can't get near malina yet because he will suck out her power but they have to meet in oddessa for some reason
tommy teleports his mom and caspar and HRG into the future(but before the 1st episode)
caspar erases tommys memory after he wants to risk his life to go back and save hiro
hiro is in the past as a human now and takes on three harris's, his fate is unknown
erika sends a shapeshifter to disguise as mohinder to tell the world he sent off the bomb, and it kind of confirms he died cause molly is teleported to india to tell his family
carlos and farrah were partners in the army and she saved people with her ability and somehow he got a medal for it but felt he didn't earn it and i guess they were a couple or something
past HRG shoots erika in the leg and future HRG stops him because that disrupted the timeline and quentin saves erika and in return she takes him to phoebe and phoebe i guess brainwashes quentin and now HRG told quentin(before he died) of the twins and quentin is working undercover for erika and tells her of the twins
btw in my magazine it says that episode 11 is the conclusion of the show, but there is also an episode 12 and 13 so perhaps it's going to be a 3 hour finale, and the episode is called send in the clones so i'd expect harris is involved somehow
i just read that apparently jacksons parents were killed by one of the alpha wolves and he was going to get revenge but colton left to be on arrow
also apparently kira was only supposed to be in season 3
but like did you know in heroes for example that first off sylar was actually called paul e sylar but that was later changed but he was supposed to die in the season 1 finale? That would have sucked if they went that route.
i also remember they were going to kill off spike in BTVS and elijah, klaus and josh at one point and I think rebekah and damon
I heard that at least one of the alpha's from the alpha pack were suppose to be Jackson's real parent(s)
"The Alpha pack is in town on a mission, and it has to do with the Kanima. if you want to get a head start on your theories, go back pay close attention to the mentions of Kanima mythology throughout Season 2. “There is a good bit of mythology that was prepared in this season that will pay off in the third season,” Davis teases. “I’m not going to say what it is exactly, but people will be able to look up a lot online going into next season.” The mystery of who Jackson’s real parents are will be part of the Alpha pack story."
I heard that about Kira but I thought it was just a rumor
I'm glad they didnt do that, Heroes wouldn't have been as good without Sylar
Yeah, I remember that but the originals became so popular, the writers chose to keep them.
yeah and this has nothing to do with the current topic but someone made a good point on some forum, that if tommy absorbs others powers, how come he didn't absorb luke's power or caspars or mollys or angelas when he came into contact with them
maybe he needs to touch them in order for it to work but it's like then why would angela not even want him near malina?
I think he has to touch them and have a longer hold on them to steal their powers, Hiro held him for at least a couple minute , he only touched Molly for a second at most and I dont remember him ever touching Caspar or Angela
Yeah, it was a good episode but I still wanna know whats the deal with the guy that keeps following Ravi. the creature with the claw was a true beats, it was completely unaffected by being shot and the fight scene was cool.
btw nothing to do with what we r talking about but apparently the new steve jobs movie had to be dropped from 2000 theaters because it did so bad at the box office.
now i don't know if that ever happened before but i remember watching the 2002 version of pinnocio, they even had like McDonalds toys for it but i went in with my family and there was no one in there.....and i found out most likely why......the entire film was in italian and dubbed over with english to where it didn't even match their mouths, it was so embarrassing and i don't even think it got a DVD release
idk if you know but tim kring said its possible there could be a season 2 of heroes reborn and all i have to say is I demand peter and sylar and the other old characters to be in it if they aren't revealed to be dead
maybe one more reveal would be to dive into the company vault items in texas, you remember those?, the vault that contained the shanti virus had other vaults opened like inside one was a brain, one was a trojan horse, one was a card.....idk i always imagined they were the company founders most prized possessions or dangerous items they found that were possibly enchanted
really that is the only requests I have at the moment if there is another season, what about you?
i mean at one point i wanted to know the abilities of the 4 remaining company founders that adam monroe killed offscreen but I just was like, well the writers obviously had no intention of exploring
but there was always two other heroes projects that were going to happen, one was i guess a spin off of heroes and i think its premise was similar to heroes reborn but was supposed to dive deeper into the meaning of the eclipse/the DNA helix and then the chapter that was supposed to happen called vol. 3:exodus dealing with the fallout of the shanti virus onto the world and they even had some scenes filmed, some were on the season 2 dvd and some were in like a cut scene of a promo I can no longer seem to find but it was going to involve the villians chapter but none of that happened cause of the stupid 2007 writers strike, it will probably never happen but I would love to see the heroes exodus chapter and in a way I'd rather have seen that than heroes reborn
Thats awesome, I hope they do make a season 2, the show has been getting at least 3 million views a episode, so the ratings are great, they should make another season. At thispoint i'd bbe cool with anything, they could just tell us or do something like whole flashback episode to show what happen to the old characters.
Oh yeah, I remember that, there was like a golden, key and a knife along with some other things they've collected. There's no telling what else could've been in there, they should really bring that into the show.
The same as you, the only big problem I have with this shows is the lack of knowledge we have on the old characters, not all the characters but tjust the important ones.
Yeah, I completely forgot about them, I doubt they'll be brought up.
That writers strike ruined everything, I really wanted to see more of the villain chapter, it seems awesome.
yeah and pretty little liars got done weeks ago filming the rest of their season but for some reason we have to wait till january, I mean I would understand the week of christmas not airing it but all those empty months?
they clearly don't give a rats ass about the fans and i don't think that is the cast and crew making the decisions, its obviously some higher up in MTV/NBC with most likely poor excuses as to why
i think i will go on heroes wiki and edit the status of some of the characters cause it needs to be said until we know a definite answer cause there are too many clues to support they could be dead or neutralized
i think they are almost done with teen wolf season 5 and it's like they haven't casted the la bette yet so im just assuming it's the vamp wraith kid, or a character they casted undercover or it's kate, victoria, gerard, deucalion or the test tube creature
but what do you think they will bring in season 6 and future creatures?:im trying to think of them all(witches and vamps aside)-ghosts, dragons, fairies, pixies, leprecauns, imps, golems, clones, giants, harpies, unicorns, angels, reapers, gods, possibly the devil(if it isn't the nogitsune), those are the only ones that come to mind right now
Are you sure they didn't cast them? I thought I read that some of the cast members had already filmed with him, so a select few knows who he is, however this was weeks ago, so by now its likely they all know who he is.
I cant' really think of any ceature speciaclly bc there's so many. The only thing I can see them bringing in right now is more chimeras or more were-creatures
now going back to the heroes topic, I think we might see captain james again. Cause we never saw him die and if he is a brainwashed sylar, he might have survived but if he is dead, I don't really get it, I researched and of all the new characters, he was kept so secret, nothing could be told about him and dylan bruce said he has this huge interesting backstory and all it turned out was he is a evo who hunted evos so i really don't get what the big deal is
and as for some of the others, at this point, we only got 4 episodes left but im just going to assume some of the others are dead or neutralized okay but i can only go off of clues and hints, HRG saying he KNEW someone named sylar, and i think erika said hiros friends or HRGs friends died and peter would be one of them and I think sylar could've died during the june 13 thing cause phoebes shadow took away his powers and left him vulnerable but mohinder and hiro, i can't say
but this is what pisses me off, they sent out these webcomics to reveal about the stuff we didn't see in heroes reborn but they focused on the origins of the new characters and that would've been PERFECT to explain where sylar, peter, tracy, ando, heck even people like claude, west, monica, samuel, doyle, etc. was but they focused again on the new characters despite the june 13th thing being the origin stories.
and they sent out these games but that too focused on the new characters just ignoring the old ones and btw one game I cant play cause its only on mobile and one is on PC but I can't find it anywhere, I looked in target, best buy, couldn't find it
I dont think he's dead bc I watched the episode and Matt did the same thing to Carlos that he did to Dearing. Carlos walked into that room and there was a assualt rifle on the table. Carlso was terrified during the war, he saw what he feared and what he was hiding. Maybe the sam thing happened to Dearing, he didn't actually kill himself bc the gun wasn't really there, it was just Matt screwing with his head, trying to figure out what it is he fears ot is hiding.
Yeah, that is true, everyone there was vulnerable to the explosion, even the all powerful Sylat, so he could be dead.
That's weird, if they wanna move on, thats fine but they can't expect us to move past without knowing the status of the original characters.
i am afraid they are going to turn tommy dark and i'd hate that cause he is my favorite new male character
but right now its basically HRG, malina, luke, the haitian and his team, tommy, miko, ren carlos and possibly his friends/allies and they've got to stop the comet or whatever that is coming and they have to rescue micah, for what reason apart from being the leader, idk
and they are going up against erika but really the threat of her is that she has an army of harris clones and humans, joanna who is extremely dangerous hunter, probably even more than danko and she has quentin and phoebe and matt who is just a god with his power, and she has captured dozens if not hundreds of evos to use in EPIC
and next week they are previewing that HRG might die and that isn't good and also zach levi said if they do a heroes reborn 2, he isn't coming back so that might be an indication luke dies soon, idk
but if sylar and peter are dead that took out a big help as well as hiro, ando, tracy, lauren and emma and heck even samuel and doyle and claude and i have no idea what happened to mohinder, they better not have killed him off cause at this point only 5 of the original cast remains and im still hoping peter and sylar survived but for now i have to presume they are dead
You would think scott and pack now that their pack is disassembled and they are going against the dread doctors, the la bette, the desert wolf and theos pack, freaking scott would contact all his allies:
he got chris argent and maybe deucalion, the oni and valack but he needs to get ethan, cora, derek, jackson, issac, brett, satomi and her pack and he still needs to rescue deaton and lydia. But one ally that would be useful but I don't think he will get is his dad despite him being an FBI agent, I mean he nearly got killed by the oni and he probably feels bad enough he has to protect stilinski on top of stiles, lydia, kira and his mom.
I dont see his dad being useful against the superntaural. The only thing Scott's dad can do is pull a trigger, they can get anyone for that. Its funny that you mentioned he has to protect Kira. I find that to be hilarious, she's a kitsune that needs protection but hopefully Scott won't have to protect her bc she'll have a oni
I doubt she'll kill it. I just hope that none of their enemies know that silver kills a oni but with the desert wolf being an experienced assassin, I wouldn't be surprised if she knew something like that.
We don't actually see it but right after Theo shows Malia his coyote form, he goes back to his truck and he has a key in his hand, he smiles and throws it into the grass and then the very next scene is a locked door with growls coming from behind it.
but going back to heroes, like im hoping we get some interview that says what happened to peter, sylar, ando, etc. but also I'd kind of like quentin to be good again, not that he was this drop dead hilarious character or anything but i like him better as the goofy yet somewhat serious sidekick, him being a douchebag is just unpleasant to watch, especially after finding out matt went dark
im not, they basically teased it in season 1 when he worked for sylar
but one positive thing despite the lack of peter, sylar is that I think we can safetly say all superpowers have been covered in heroes, wouldn't you say? I did a checklist and I'm pretty sure I got them all. Like of course the only one we probably wouldn't see is omnipotence, I don't ever see them bringing in that and you know I've said it before, any sci fi show, even if teen wolf tries to do this has to be careful if they bring in omnipotence cause it means shows over, if the person carrying it wants good to win, then good wins, if they want evil to win, then evil wins, all it takes is a wave of the hand or a mere thought and if they do so, story is over, no point in further watching.
Yeah, I don't think well ever see. The character would be unstoppable but it would be cool to see. Exactly, there's no stopping someone with omnipotence, so it would make the story predictable bc we'd know who would win.
if you have the heroes season 1 dvd or rented it, there is this crazy interactive game where it's like this guessing game where you pick a character with a number above them, you choose who you want but don't say it out loud and the interactive matt parkman tries to guess which one you picked and I'm not even kidding, 99% of the time, he got it right, it was freaky.....
it was cause someone claimed to be a writer but they weren't and I merely said I was here to answer unanswered questions which i told them wasn't 100% true but this person was an admin and blocked me forever for apparent disrespect
They always do shit like that. Once I was in chat and they banned my because I didn't write anything. And I don't find anything bad if I didn't wrote anything it not crime. Also thet like to ban peoples from chat who don't agree with them. Those users are just horrible peoples and don't have right to by admins.
How come we count on this wikia Klaus', Elijah's, Rebekah's, ect transition to vampire as one of their deaths (since they have to die to become a vampire) but not Esther (possesing Lenore)? Her page says she only died 4 times. Ignoring when Klaus (and Rebekah) turned Lenore/Esther into a vampire. Why is that?
Hey Tommy, I saw you comment that you don't get how a vampire/siphoner hybrid would be able to remain alive after siphoning from themselves.
And I'm pretty positive that vampire/siphoner hybrids wouldn't run out of magic and end up killing themselves because the vampire spell is constantly pumping more maigc into them in order to keep their immortality flowing. So, as they siphon from themselves, they're constantly being resupplied with the magic from the spell (which gives them immortality indirectly from the White Oak Tree) that makes them vampires.
Because with other sources, they would have to touch them and siphon magic from them, making sure they didn't use the magic up to quickly or they would need to find another source. But with their vampirism, they can siphon from their magic forever and not need to stop and refuel. It just makes them more of a threat because there is no down time to when they'd be vunerable to attack. And I think that's why they're such a threat.
The vampire spell dictates that their is a connection between the Sun/White Oak Tree and vampires.
Now, the Sun gives vampires life and the White Oak Tree gives them immortality.
So, this means that the power from those two sources will always flow to the vampires (hense why they have life and immortality at all times).
So as vampire/siphoner hybrids siphon from the raw magic within themselves, their connection to those two sources of power (the sun and the white oak tree) continues the same process of giving them life and immortality via magic.
So, you can siphon from yourself all day long, but the constant power from the Sun and the White Oak Tree will always keep you alive and immortal and full of magic.
With being vampire themselves though, there's really no need to even siphon from anything or anyone because they have an unlimited supply of magic alrerady. And if they want to increase their power more profoundly, they could all just hold hands and siphon from each other and do unimaginable feats of magic. The only reason they would want to siphon from someone is if their's a witch they want to kill through siphoning.
Because when they siphon magic from themselves, they use it up; it doesn't stay in their bodies. It's expended with every act of magic they do. And then the Sun and the White Oak Tree constantly supply their vampire bodies with more magic. And so, the cycle repeats itself over and over again.
I think the bigger question, is how do they control the rate at which magic in siphoned?
And I think part of their ability IS being able to control how fast magic is siphoned.
I think the problem is that you think siphoning magic from a vampire would cure it of vampirism, but it wouldn't. When you siphon from yourself, your body is still going to be a vampire because of the spell, and there's no undoing the spell.
And vampire/siphoner hybrids don't draw magic from their life force because they are already dead. The only reason why the're still alive is because the Sun is their life force, and the Sun can't be destroyed, so the siphoner can't die of overuse of magic.
I get what you're saying, but without this explanation, there is no other way to explain it. I don't think this is going to be explored anymore because the writers naturally assume that you take their explanations to heart.
Channeling means that you can draw power from sources without touching them, but it is strictly stated that siphoners can only get power from siphoning off other sources. Siphoning means to remove power from something and have it moved inside of you. Channeling does't allow you to steal power, it allows you to tap into the power of the thing you are connected to. You're simply a channel to which the magic flows.
If siphoners could channel then Kai wouldn't have needed to siphon magic from Jo's knife in the 1994 Prison World, he could've just channeled the Sun, but he didn't because he physically had to touch the object he wanted to steal magic from.
well u know and I won't be all mad at tvd/TO, there are other shows which the magic is convulted
like I've tried to get this notion by certain folk but they just don't get it but the fact of the matter is magic just doesn't automatically mean you can throw all logic and intelligence out the window u know? It has to make sense and so many things don't and I have to sit down and think and just apply the situation to how it could make sense.
My mind doesn't allow for plot-holes so I'm always trying to add it all up in my head to form a basic picture. It's really stressful trying to figure this stuff out for ourselves. And I wonder if the writers actually have the explanations or if they themselves don't know either.
well for example even in a supernatural world, decapitation, fire, heart extraction and maybe the removal of other organs should destroy a vampire or immortal being, because the super healing process take care of the wounds inflicted by bullets, hard objects, knives and minimal burns
but the tvd/TO writers and many other writers from fantasy shows have to make some special blade be able to kill them and it usually makes no sense because that would mean an outside force is helping them to kill them but it's like why not just allow them to be killed any other way?
that is why nowadays i try to tell people sci fi and fantasy are the exact same thing, the supernatural is just heightened cells of what already exist in the body or introducing some that don't exist,
I actually feel if the writers of any type of these show made the mythology simple to understand, there wouldn't be all this confusion cause truth be told because of the traveller mythology, the tvd writers now decided to tone down the mythology and make it much simpler.
and i don't know if u were here that day but i got into a debate with some other users about how if finn was stuck inside freyas necklace and I eventually remembered the stone must be hollow and empty on the inside, thus how he would be able to get inside, shrink obviously but be inside but some people were like, tommy you're wrong, it's his soul, his conscious that goes inside and when I asked people to explain their answers made no sense.
It's like people just stop turning this into something it isn't, it's just him shrunk down to microsize and stuck in the stone, that's all it is!, stop making it harder then it needs to be!
But Finn's soul was inside of Vincent, Freya just transferred it into her talisman. Finn couldn't have shrunk down to microsize because that would imply that he could physically shrink, but we know that souls lack physical form.
Like, think about the demons from Supernatural, they don't shrink down in order to possess someone, they just go into the brain of the human and take over. So, the demon didn't physically shrink down to microsize and start roaming around in brain tissue land, their essence is just inside of the human brain.
But Finn wasn't a ghost. Ghosts in the world of TVD/TO are souls that are stuck in a spiritual dimension that can be seen by people who have died and come back to life. This is the only instance of someone being called a ghost.
And besides, souls are only able to take on a spiritual form while in a spiritual dimension. Without one, they have no spiritual form and don't have the option of gaining a physical form by means of a witch granting them a foothold on the Physical Plane.
But Freya's necklace doesn't have a dimension in it, so Finn's soul isn't a ghost.
And let's just say for example if Freya would have pulled Finn's soul from the Other Side (when it still existed of course) or the Ancestral dimension and placed it in her necklace, Finn's ghost would become a soul again once placed in her talisman because it's just a stone with no dimension attaced to it that would allow him to have a ghost form.
I'm just trying to say that a soul only takes on the appearance of its former body while in a spiritual dimension. Without being in a spiritual dimension, the soul would probably just be an essence of raw spiritual energy.
And with the body not being hallow thing, I was referring to how a soul doesn't need a hallow compartment to exist inside of something, like a brain (or Freya's amulet).
You know what I'm saying?
Like, the soul can't have an appearance and a form while inhabiting a brain or an object because it's just raw spiritual energy. There is no way for that raw spiritual energy to manifest itself into a spiritual form. That's the whole reason why a ghost can only exist in a spiritual dimension, because that dimension is specifically designed to translate raw spiritual energy into a spiritual form.